{"id":41342,"date":"2021-05-19T01:47:40","date_gmt":"2021-05-18T23:47:40","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.therwandan.com\/ki\/?p=41342"},"modified":"2021-05-19T01:48:22","modified_gmt":"2021-05-18T23:48:22","slug":"ikiganiro-cya-kagame-na-rfi-na-france-24-cya-17-05-2021-mu-kinyarwanda","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.therwandan.com\/ki\/ikiganiro-cya-kagame-na-rfi-na-france-24-cya-17-05-2021-mu-kinyarwanda\/","title":{"rendered":"IKIGANIRO CYA KAGAME NA RFI NA FRANCE 24 CYA 17\/05\/2021 MU KINYARWANDA"},"content":{"rendered":"\n

Mu ruzinduko arimo mu gihugu cy\u2019u Bufransa, kuri uyu wa mbere taliki ya 17 Gicurasi 2021<\/strong>, Prezida Paul KAGAME<\/strong> yagiranye ikiganiro cyatanbutse imbona nkubone (en direct\/live) n’ibitangazamakuru bikomeye byo mu Bufaransa; aribyo Televisiyo FRANCE 24<\/strong> na RFI, (Radio Mpuzamahanga y\u2019u Bufransa<\/strong>). Muri icyo kiganiro, umunyamakuru Marc PERELMAN<\/strong> wa FRANCE 24 afatanyije na Alexandra BRANGEON<\/strong> wa RFI bagiranye ikiganiro cyiswe \u201cPaul KAGAME, Prezida w\u2019u Rwanda kuri France 24<\/strong>\u201d. Twashimye kubashyirira icyo kiganiro cy\u2019amajwi n\u2019amashusho mu nyandiko; yahinduwe mu Kinyarwanda na Albert MUSHABIZI<\/strong>, ku bwa TheRwandan.com<\/strong>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Mukurikire ikiganiro :<\/p>\n\n\n\n

UMUNYAMAKURU<\/strong> Marc P.<\/strong> : Muraho kandi tubahaye ikaze kuri Television FRANCE 24 na Radio Mpuzamahanga y\u2019u Bufransa (RFI) ! Ni mu kiganiro tugiye kugirana na  Prezida w\u2019u Rwanda, Paul KAGAME. Nkaba mfatanyije muri iki kiganiro na Alexandra BRANGEON waje aturuka kuri RFI !  <\/p>\n\n\n\n

UMUNYAMAKURU Alexandra B.<\/strong> : Bwana Prezida muraho !<\/p>\n\n\n\n

UMUNYAMAKURU Marc P.<\/strong> : Bwana Prezida tubahaye ikaze ! Mwashimye Raporo y\u2019abanga mu iby\u2019amateka b\u2019Abafransa muvuga ko iyo raporo ari \u2026 reka mbivuge mu magambo yanyu bwite\u2026 \u00ab intambwe y\u2019ingirakamaro. \u00bb iyo raporo yari yasabwe na Prezida w\u2019u Bufransa Emmanuel MACRON yanzura ko  u Bufransa\u2026 reka mbivuge uko byanditse\u2026 \u00ab\u2026 bufite inshingano ziremeye kandi zitabworoheye muri Jenoside yakorewe Abatutsi yo mu 1994 !\u00bb Prezida w\u2019u Bufransa yakagombye kuza mu Rwanda mu minsi iza\u2026 ese izi mpinduka mu mikoranire yanyu, zaba ari intango y\u2019ukuzahuka kwa burundu k\u2019umubano hagati y\u2019u Bufransa n\u2019u Rwanda ?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

KAGAME<\/strong> : Mu kwanzika\u2026 nk\u2019uko twabivuze na mbere\u2026 ndatekereza ko ari intambwe nini ijya  imbere twishimira ku ruhande rwacu nk\u2019u Rwanda, kandi ndatekereza ko byakabaye ari nako biri ku rugero ndetse rurushijeho ku Bufransa. Ubu noneho  hari ibyo tumaze kugeraho, gushyira ukuri ku mugaragaro bikozwe n\u2019abantu bigenga, za komisiyo zigenga ;kubera ko hari Raporo ya Duclert yamaze gutangazwa\u2026 hari kandi n\u2019indi komisiyo yo ku ruhande rwacu, Komisiyo ya Muse nayo yamaze gutangaza raporo yayo\u2026 Mu iby\u2019ukuri turatera intambwe mu mujyo umwe\u2026 ibihamya ku ibyabaye\u2026 ndatekereza ko magingo aya u Bufransa n\u2019u Rwanda bifite umusingi mwiza ubishoboza gupfundika umubano mwiza nk\u2019uko byagakwiye\u2026 Ikiruta ibindi twagakurikijeho ni ugusiga ibyo byose inyuma yacu\u2026 bitavuze ko tubyiyibagije ariko\u2026 mbega hakabaho kubabarira ngo turenge umutaru mu buryo bwiza\u2026 Ntekereza nta shiti ko dutera intambwe nziza ! <\/p>\n\n\n\n

UMUNYAMAKURU Alexandra B.<\/strong> : Bwana Prezida ! Muravuga gutera intambwe, kugera ku bikorwa bifite intego\u2026 raporo yanzuye ko u Bufransa bufite inshingano zitabworoheye\u2026 ariko ntiyanzuye ku bufatanyacyaha bw\u2019u Bufransa ! Ese namwe ntimuhabanya n\u2019uwo mwanzuro !?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

KAGAME<\/strong> : Simpabanya n\u2019ibintu byinshi byavuzwe muri ziriya raporo zombi ! Hashobora kuzagira ibindi bikorwa mukuzunganira ;ariko ingingo y\u2019ingenzi yamaze kunononsorwa. Iyo uvuze \u00ab inshingano zitoroshye \u00bb ubwo ni uburyo bwo gukabiriza, kuremereza\u2026 ntizakabaye inshingano zanjye kubabwira uko bakagombye kuba barabifutuye\u2026 mbega  ni uko ibintu bimeze\u2026 Icyakora nshobora kuvuga ko nta gikuba gicitse, reka dufate ibyo byanzuwe by\u2019 \u00bbinshingano zitoroshye ! \u00bb <\/p>\n\n\n\n

UMUNYAMAKURU Alexandra B.<\/strong> : Uravuga ko nta gikuba gicitse ! Ariko mu Kiganiro wagize mu w\u20192014, wavuze ko u Bufransa butari umufatanyacyaha gusa ;ko ndetse bwagize uruhare mu bikorwa nyirizina bya Jenoside ! Ni iki cyahindutse kuva icyo gihe ?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

KAGAME<\/strong> : Ku giti cyanjye, mfite uburenganzira bwo kugira uko numva ibintu\u2026 kubera ko biriya ni ibintu nabayemo\u2026 nabikurikiniraga hafi\u2026 ubwo rero ibyo navuze narabivuze\u2026  ndetse nshobora no kudahabanya n\u2019ibyo navuze icyo gihe, ndetse na magingo aya ! Ariko ubu turimo turavuga kuri za komisiyo zigenga ;zageze ku myanzuro mu buryo ubwo ari bwo bwose baba barabikozemo\u2026 kandi ingingo wari ukomojeho ntiyaje mu myanzuro ya raporo zombi\u2026 Mbega ibyo ni ibibazo by\u2019ababikoze, si ikibazo cyanjye !<\/p>\n\n\n\n

UMUNYAMAKURU Maric P.<\/strong> : Leta Zunze ubumwe z\u2019Amerika, Umuryango w\u2019Abibumbye n\u2019u Bubiligi, igihugu cyahoze kibakolonije, ibyo byose byasabye imbabazi mu buryo bukwiriye ku ibyo bakoze cyangwa se batakoze muri biriya bihe byo muw\u20191994. U Bufransa bwo ntiburabigenza gutyo.  Ese waba wifuza ko u Bufransa nabwo busaba imbabazi, nk\u2019ikimenyetso  cy\u2019ubushake bwizacyo kubaka umubano mushya mwiza, warimo uvugaho ?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

KAGAME<\/strong> : Ibyo ngibyo ni inshingano z\u2019u Bufransa, gufata umwanzuro wo gukora icyo batekereza ko kibarutiye ibindi ;ikintu kibi nakora ariko nkaba ntifuza kugikora, ni ukuba nakigera nsaba uwo ari we wese, gusaba imbabazi, cyangwa se gukora iki na kiriya ! Ibyo ndabibarekeye, nibo bazi icyo bakora kibatunganiye\u2026 Igihe icyo ari cyo cyose ibyo byabaho mu bwangamugayo, mu buryo bukwiriye\u2026 Abantu\u2026 isi niyo mucamanza, ntabwo rero nakabaye ari njye nca imanza\u2026<\/p>\n\n\n\n

UMUNYAMAKURU Marc P.<\/strong> : Ariko cyakabaye ikimenyetso cy\u2019ingirakamaro ! Ndemeranywa nawe ko atari wowe ugomba kubisaba; ariko na none biramutse bibaye wabifata nk\u2019iby\u2019agaciro!<\/p>\n\n\n\n

KAGAME<\/strong> : Ndatekereza ko ari ko kuri. Iyo umuntu yemera ko hari ibyo atatunganyije; maze akagira uko abyitwararika\u2026 ni ikintu cyiza nagashyimye !<\/p>\n\n\n\n

UMUNYAMAKURU Marc P.<\/strong> : Ese wanakishimira ko Ambasaderi w\u2019u Bufransa aza mu Rwanda, nyuma y\u2019imyaka ntawe uharangwa !?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

KAGAME<\/strong> : Byanga bikunda, ibyo nabyishimira ! Erega turi mu rugendo rwo kunoza umubano !<\/p>\n\n\n\n

UMUNYAMAKURU Marc P.<\/strong> : Uratekereza ko byaba ari ibya vuba aha !<\/p>\n\n\n\n

KAGAME<\/strong> : Ndabyifuza ntyo, ariko ni u Bufransa buzabifataho umwanzuro.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

UMUNYAMAKURU Marc P.<\/strong> : Hashize amezi make u Bufransa butaye Felisiyani KABUGA muri yombi; yahoze ari umuterankunga\u2026 niba ari ko nkwiriye kubivuga\u2026 wa Jenoside\u2026 Ku bwawe icyo cyaba ari ikimenyetso, cy\u2019uko u Bufransa bwaba bwiteguye mu iby\u2019ukuri, gukurikirana Abakoze Jenoside babarizwa ku butaka bwabwo ?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

KAGAME<\/strong> : Ndatekerezo ko ari intango nziza ! Ubwo rero byaba birushijeho ! Ku bwanjye, nshyigikiye ko ibikorwa byiza byakomeza kwisukiranya; niba koko u Bufransa bufite ubushake bwo kubikomeza ! Haracyari umubare mwinshi w\u2019Abajenosideri, ukubakurikirana bikaba bitarakozwe mu buryo buboneye.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

UMUNYAMAKURU Marc P.<\/strong> : Reka dufate nk\u2019urugero rwa Agatha HABYARIMANA, umupfukazi w\u2019uwahoze ari Prezida wishwe, akunze gusiragira mu nkiko hano mu Bufransa; wifuza ko u Bufransa bwamwirukana cyangwa bukamuboherereza ngo mumukurikirane ?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

KAGAME<\/strong> : Urabyumva nawe ko cyaba ari ikimenyetso cyiza cyane ! Iyi ngingo imaze imyaka iduhungabanyiriza umubano ! Ni byo koko ndizera ko ibintu bishobora kuzarushaho kuba byiza\u2026 Byaba kuri Agatha cyangwa se no kubandi; hano bahari ku bwinshi !<\/p>\n\n\n\n

UMUNYAMAKURU Marc P.<\/strong> : Ariko aho nyine byaba ari iby\u2019agaciro ! Ni koko !?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

KAGAME<\/strong> : Yego ni umwe muri abo, ari ku rutonde\u2026 urutonde rurerure cyane\u2026 ari mu b\u2019ibanze\u2026 Ariko ni u Bufransa buzabifataho umwanzuro ! Si uburyo bwo kuba nabibagiraho inama ;gusa sinabura no kubasaba ko ibyo bikorwa na Leta ;bikanyura mu nzira zemewe n\u2019ibihugu byombi\u2026 Gusa ntago ngambiriye kubabwira icyo bakwiriye gukora ;ariko na none sinabura kuvuga mu buryo butaziguye icyo nsaba ! <\/p>\n\n\n\n

UMUNYAMAKURU Alexandra B.<\/strong> : Tukiri aho ku butabera n\u2019inshingano ;mu kwezi gushize, Diyoniziyo MUKWEGE, Umunyekongo watsindiye igihembo cya Nobel yari i Paris. Yasabye u Bufransa gufasha, kugira ngo ubutabera bukurikirane abayoboye ibikorwa byabereyemo ibyaha byibasiye u Burasirazuba bwa Repubulika Iharanira Demokarasi ya Kongo. Bimwe ni ibikorwa by\u2019abasirikari bo mu karere, mu bihugu bituranyi, nk\u2019uko byemejwe n\u2019impuguke z\u2019Umuryango w\u2019Abibumbye. Mushobora kuzemera ko abawofisiye b\u2019Abanyarwanda bakurikiranwa ku byaha byakorewe muri RDC, bishobora no kuzitwa Jenoside ?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

KAGAME<\/strong> : Nk\u2019uko mubizi, birashoboka ko raporo y\u2019umushinga \u00ab mapping \u00bb ;itavuzweho rumwe mu buryo bukabije ! Mu iby\u2019ukuri hari n\u2019abayirwanya ku rwego rwo hejuru bari muri RDC, ndetse no mu bihugu bituranyi. Yashingiye cyane ku mpamvu za politiki ;MUKWEGE yahindutse ikimenyetso cyangwa se igikoresho cy\u2019izo mbaraga zitagaragara, maze bimuhesha n\u2019igihembo cya Nobel\u2026 Mbega bamupakiramo ibyo avuga\u2026 kandi byongeye hari n\u2019izindi raporo zatangajwe kandi zikaba zisobanura ibintu mu buryo buhabanye ! <\/p>\n\n\n\n

UMUNYAMAKURU Alexandra B.<\/strong> : Ibihabanye ? Ko nta byaha byabaye mu karere ?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

KAGAME<\/strong> : Oya nta byaha byabayeho !<\/p>\n\n\n\n

UMUNYAMAKURU Alexandra B.<\/strong> : Mu Burasirazuba bwa RDC ?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

KAGAME<\/strong> : Oya da ! Nta byababye pe ! Haba ku bantu babishinjwe, ndetse no ku bihugu byatunzwe agatoki, nk\u2019icyacu… Uriya ni umukino w\u2019ihame rya Jenoside ebyiri bibereyemo !<\/p>\n\n\n\n

UMUNYAMAKURU Marc P.<\/strong> : Mu Burasirazuba bwa RDC umutekano ukomeje kumera nabi. Bamwe baravuga ko ibintu bikomeje kujya i Rudubi\u2026 Guverinoma ya Kongo yashyizeho iteka ry\u2019ibihe bidasanzwe mu Intara za Kivu y\u2019Amajyaruguru na Ituri mu gihe cy\u2019iminsi 30; ndetse bishoboka ko cyazanongerwa. Ese iyi yaba ari ntambwe nziza ra ? Wemeranywa nabyo ?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

KAGAME<\/strong> : Ibihe bidasanzwe njye uko mbyumva kwari nko kuvuga bati : iki ni ikibazo gikomeye cyane hano. Reka noneho dufate ingamba zikakaye kugira ngo tugire intango nziza yo guhangana nabyo. Niyo mpamvu navuga nti : ibi byo gushyiraho ibihe bidasanzwe, kuri njye ndabona bikwiriye. Ariko ari njye nanahita ko mfata n\u2019imigambi ihamye yo gusohoka muri ibyo bibazo mu buryo buhoraho. Bitari ukuza ukanyura ibintu hejuru, maze nyuma y\u2019imyaka itanu na none ukabona bya bibazo; ndetse wenda hakaza ibirushijeho ubukana. Ariko na none hariya hari Ingabo z\u2019Umuryango w\u2019Abibumbye\u2026 kandi Umuryango w\u2019Abibumbye\u2026 zavuye hanze y\u2019igihugu.. zigiye kuhamara imyaka 24\u2026 Haracyari izi nshingano zose z\u2019isi nzima\u2026 ariko bigacecekwa\u2026 ariko nta n\u2019ubaza ati : ariko ni iki mwagiye gukora hariya imyaka 24 yose\u2026 Mwagiye hariya gukemura ibibazo, byagenze bite ?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

UMUNYAMAKURU<\/strong> Maric P.<\/strong> : Kuriya ni ugutsindwa hariya ?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

KAGAME<\/strong> : Ntekereza ko ari ugutsindwa cyane aho uhubwo bitavugwa ! Waba ubitubije kuvuga ko ari ugutsindwa gusa mu buryo busanzwe !<\/p>\n\n\n\n

UMUNYAMAKURU Alexandra B.<\/strong> : Noneho mu buryo bwo gukomereza aho\u2026 Igihugu cyanyu n\u2019icya Kongo bigaragara ko umubano mwiza warushijeho kuva aho Felix TSHISEKEDI atangiriye kuyobora. Mwemera kongera ingufu mu kugarura umutekano ku rubibi rw\u2019ibihugu byombi, murwanya Inyeshyamba\u2026 Ese mwaba mugeze ku ki kuri uwo mwumvikano ? Mwaba muteganya gukorera hamwe ibikorwa bya gisirikari ?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

KAGAME<\/strong> : Turacyabijyaho impaka ! Gusa ikintu cyo kwishimira ni uko byibura hariho uwo mwuka mwiza utubashisha kuganira, mu gihe bitahozeho mu bihe byashize ! Kandi nyine, byanga bikunda abakorera hamwe ntibabura ibisubizo.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

UMUNYAMAKURU Alexandra B.<\/strong> : Ariko ibikorwa bya gisirikare muhuriyeho nabyo murabiteganya ?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

KAGAME<\/strong> : Yego rwose gusa biterwa n\u2019uko ibintu byifashe\u2026 Mu gihe gikwiriye biba ari ngombwa ko impande zombi zibyumvikanaho zikajya impaka niba koko byakunda, hakarebwa uburyo bw\u2019amafaranga byatwara, hakarebwa n\u2019inyungu za buri ruhande ku myanzuro ifashwe\u2026 Ni ngombwa ko abantu baba bagomba kuba babangutse mu gushyira mu bikorwa !<\/p>\n\n\n\n

UMUNYAMAKURU Alexandra B.<\/strong> : Nk\u2019uko byemezwa n\u2019impuguke z\u2019Umuryango w\u2019Abibumbye, Abasirikari b\u2019u Rwanda baba baratangiye ibikorwa ku butaka bwa RDC!<\/p>\n\n\n\n

KAGAME<\/strong> : Yego nifuza ko batabicumbikira aho, ahubwo bakanahata ibibazo Umuryango w\u2019Abibumbye, impamvu Abanyarwanda bagombye kwigira muri RDC, mu gihe uwo Umuryango w\u2019Abibumbye ari wo ufite inshingano zo kubungabunga uko ibintu byifashe.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

UMUNYAMAKURU Marc P.<\/strong> : Ubwo noneho byaba bisobanuye ko, mwemeje ko mwaba muzi ko Ingabo z\u2019u Rwanda zaba ziri ku butaka bwa RDC ?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

KAGAME<\/strong> : Ashwi da ! Ibyo ntabyo nzi rwose ! Ahubwo ndavuga ko uwo Umuryango w\u2019Abibumbye ukora iyo rapport, ari ukunanirwa muri Kongo ! Ibyo nibyo mpamije rwose !<\/p>\n\n\n\n

UMUNYAMAKURU Alexandra B.<\/strong> : Ukunanirwa ?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

KAGAME<\/strong> : Yego pe, ukunanirwa mu mpande zose !<\/p>\n\n\n\n

UMUNYAMAKURU Marc P.<\/strong> : Nk\u2019uko byumvikana rero, ubwo Ingabo z\u2019u Rwanda ziri muri Kongo !<\/p>\n\n\n\n

KAGAME<\/strong> : Reka da ! Iyo twe tubayo  ntitwajyaga kunanirwa ! Ndabahamiriza ko twe tutajyaga kunanirwa gukemura ikibazo !<\/p>\n\n\n\n

UMUNYAMAKURU Alexandra B.<\/strong> : Tugarutse ku bibazo by\u2019imbere mu gihugu cy\u2019u Rwanda, Paul RUSESABAGINA, Intwari ya Film \u00ab Hotel Rwanda \u00bb, arimo araburanira mu nkiko z\u2019i Kigali. Ahanganye n\u2019ibirego 9 : birimo iterabwoba, gufasha umutwe witwaje intwaro\u2026 Avuga ko atigeze na rimwe akangurira ubugizi bwa nabi !<\/p>\n\n\n\n

KAGAME<\/strong> : Yeee ! Icya mbere si we wenyine uri muri urwo rubanza. Harimo n\u2019abandi bagera kuri 20 baburanira hamwe, baregwa kuba barakoreye ibyaha Abanyarwanda. Bose barakurikiranwa mu rukiko, ariko bamwe muri bo bamutangaho ibihamya biremereye bimushinja. Njye ntabwo numva impamvu abantu bakomeza urwo rusaku ;ari mu rukiko, ntabwo yahishwe ahantu hihariye, ari mu rukiko nk\u2019abandi bose !<\/p>\n\n\n\n

UMUNYAMAKURU Alexandra B.<\/strong> : Murabivuze ! None se kuki hariho urwo rusaku kuri icyo kibazo ? Wenda aho ntibyaba biterwa n\u2019uburyo yafashwemo, avuga ko yatezwe umutego wo kumuzana mu Rwanda !<\/p>\n\n\n\n

KAGAME<\/strong> : Ese ubwo ikibazo cyaba kirihe mu gutega umutego umunyabyaha mu gihe waba ubashije kumubona ! Nta kindi cyo gukora uretse kumujyana mu butabera !<\/p>\n\n\n\n

UMUNYAMAKURU Marc P.<\/strong> : Leta Zunze Ubumwe z\u2019Amerika, Umuryango w\u2019Ubumwe bw\u2019u Burayi n\u2019abandi\u2026 bavuze ko bahangayikishijwe n\u2019urubanza rwe ? Ese ruzaba mu butabera busesuye ? Barakeka ko atari ko bizagenda ! Bashingiye ku buryo yatezwe umutego mu gutabwa muri yombi ;bo baratekereza ko ashobora kutazabona ubutabera nyabwo ! Ese wumva hari icyo icyo kibazo kikubwiye ?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

KAGAME<\/strong> : Yego rwose ! Njye ndwita urubanza ruciye mu mucyo ! Ku ruhande rwanjye, ntabwo ari u Bwongereza cyangwa Leta Zunze Ubumwe z\u2019Amerika, cyangwa se Umuryango w\u2019Ubumwe bw\u2019u Burayi\u2026 Oya ! Nifuza nanjye kubona urubanza ruciye mu mucyo ! Kuki se rugomba kuba ruciye mu mucyo ari uko byemejwe n\u2019u Burayi, Leta Zunze Ubumwe z\u2019Amerika, cyangwa se abandi, noneho ntibibe byaba twe !? Murabizi ni uko abantu bivugira amahomvu birangira babaye abavangura-ruhu ! Ni nko kuvuga ko, uburyo bwonyine bwo gukorera mu mucyo muri Afrika cyangwa mu Rwanda, ari ugukora ugenzurwa n\u2019u Burayi, Leta Zunze Ubumwe z\u2019Amerika cyangwa se ikindi gihugu ! Ashwi da ! si uko biri ! <\/p>\n\n\n\n

UMUNYAMAKURU Alexandra B.<\/strong> : Birashoboka ko wenda ibyo byaba biva ko imiryango myinshi yaba irega ubutegetsi bwanyu ko bucecekesha abatavuga rumwe nabwo cyangwa babunenga. Naguha nk\u2019urundi rugero : Ugutabwa muri yombi k\u2019umucuranzi w\u2019indirimo zihimbaza Imana Kizito MIHIGO wanengaga ubutegetsi, maze akaregwa gukwiza amacakubiri\u2026 akaza gupfira muri gasho ya polisi ;ubutegetsi buvuga ko ari ukwiyahura, ariko imiryango iharanira uburengazanira bwa muntu yo si uko ibibona. <\/p>\n\n\n\n

KAGAME<\/strong> : Hari abahangayikishijwe n\u2019ibyo, ariko njye simbarimo ! Byose bitunganywa na za anketi ndetse n\u2019inkiko !<\/p>\n\n\n\n

UMUNYAMAKURU<\/strong> Alexandra B<\/strong>. : Ubwo se mushobora kwemera iperereza ryigenga kuri iyo ngingo !<\/p>\n\n\n\n

KAGAME<\/strong> : Ryigenga ryigenga ibyo ni ibiki ? Ubwo se tuvuge ko haba hakenewe Iperereza ryigenga ku bintu bibera hano i Paris mu Bufransa ?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

UMUNYAMAKURU Alexandra B.<\/strong> : Mu kwanzura, Bwana Prezida, kuva uri Prezida imyaka 21 irihiritse. Amatora yimirije imbere mu myaka itatu uzaba umukandida ?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

KAGAME<\/strong> : Murazi ! Mbere ya byose ndifuza ko Imana ikomeza kumpa ubuzima bwiza, ibyo ni ku bwanjye bwite ! Aho murahumva ? Naho ku bya politiki, Abanyarwanda bazafata imyanzuro, kandi nanjye nshobora gufata umwanzuro wanjye bwite. Niba Abanyarwanda bavuze ngo oya barashaka ko nguma ku butegetsi, ibyo ni iby\u2019agaciro. Ariko nshobora kubabwira nti : \u00ab mbega murabizi ! Ngomba kujya gukora ibindi ! \u00bb<\/p>\n\n\n\n

UMUNYAMAKURU Alexandra B.<\/strong> : Murakoze Bwana Prezida kuba mwatwemereye icyi kiganiro ; kandi turabashimiye namwe abaduteze amatwi kuri France 24 na RFI.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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